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What is Hi-Lo declare? What if someone declares both ways but ties?
How can I declare Hi-Lo? What if someone declares both ways but ties?
Expain Hi-Lo declare? What if someone declares both ways but ties?
Dec 22nd, 2007 22:43
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Hi-Lo declare is a popular variation in home games that can be applied
to any game that can be played hi-lo. The betting proceeds normally to
the end of the hand, then everyone still in the hand declares whether
they are going high, low, or both ways.
There are many variations to the rules, so it is best to make sure that
the rules used in your game are announced in advance and that everyone
agrees to them.
There are several ways that the hand can be declared. One of the most
popular is to declare simultaneously with chips. Each player secretly
conceals chips in their hand; then at the same time all players open
their hands to reveal their declaration. Common systems for chip declare
include using number of chips (for instance, no chips means low, one
chip means high, two chips means both ways), or using color of chips
(for instance white chips in hand mean low, red chips mean high, both
colors mean both ways). Another way of declaring is for the players to
announce aloud in turn (either from dealer's left, from the high showing
hand, or from the last bettor depending on what's been agreed upon in
advance). This latter form of declare obviously has a huge positional
advantage for the player who gets to declare last.
After the declare, there may be another betting round, depending on the
house rules. If there is an additional betting round, a "lock" bettor
may be allowed to bet or raise, or may be required only to check and
call depending on the house variation being used. A "lock" bettor is a
player who declares one way and no-one else declares that way.
After the declare and optional betting round is the showdown. At the
showdown, the best high hand (of the hands that have been declared as
going high) and the best low hand (of the hands that declared low) split
the pot. If everyone has declared the same way, then the whole pot is
awarded to the best hand that way. If more than one player has they same
best hand in the way they've declared they split that share of the pot.
If someone declares "both ways" (also called a "hogger"), things get
more complicated. If the "both ways" player has the best high and the
best low hand, then they win the whole pot. If they are beat in either
direction, however, they win none of the pot. What happens if they have
the best high but are beat low, or have the best low but are beat high
is a matter of house rules (and can be a matter of great dispute if the
players have not agreed beforehand). In some houses if a player declares
both ways and has the best high hand but is beat low, the second best
high hand is allowed to win the high share of the pot (the same
reasoning applies if the both ways declarer has the best low but is beat
high). In other houses, if a player declares both ways and has the best
high but is beat low, then no-one wins the high, and the entire pot is
awarded to the best low hand.
Another important variation in the rules to know about for declaring
both ways is whether a both ways declarer is allowed to tie on either
side. In some houses, the both ways declarer must win both sides free
and clear, or get none of the pot. For instance if player A declares
both ways, and player B declares high, and they both have the same
straight, then player A gets nothing. Other houses allow the both ways
declarer to get shares if the pot if they tie on one side (as long as
they win or tie on the other as well). For instance if Player A declares
both ways, and player B declares high, and they both have they same
straight, then A would get 3/4 of the pot (all of low and half of high),
and B would get 1/4 (half of the high).
It leads to the least complications in extremely rare situations if
"second best" hands are allowed to win if a both ways declarer is beat
in the other direction. If second best hands are not allowed to win,
then situations can arise where no-one is eligible for a share of the
pot and a long argument is likely to ensue. For instance Players A, B, C
and D declare hi, low, both and both respectively. Player C has the best
high hand, but player D has the best low hand, if "second best" hands
are not allowed a share of the pot, then no-one is allowed to win. If
"second best" hands are allowed to win, then player A wins high, and
player B wins low. If "second best" hands are not allowed to win in your
game, it's probably best to have a house rule to allow them to win in
the case where no-one would otherwise be eligible for any of the pot.
In the case where all players have declared both ways, but no-one wins
both ways, it's best to treat it as if the hand had been played without
declare, and the best high hand and the best low hand are allowed to
split the pot.
Hi-Lo Declare Examples
Here are some showdown clarifications for Hi-Lo Declare under different
rule sets. For illustration purposes, the game used will be 7 card stud
(so that there can be ties on either the high or low sides), but the
concepts apply to any game that can be played Hi-Lo.
Rule variation #1 - "Both ways" must win free and clear (cannot tie),
and 2nd best hands cannot win. This is probably the most popular rule
set used, but needs some extra rules to settle unusual situations.
Rule variation #2 - "Both ways" hands are allowed to tie, and 2nd best
hands are allowed to win if they are only beat by hands that are
otherwise ineligible to win. This is the most liberal set of rules, and
is almost always clear about how the pot is divided. Even this needs
clarification if everyone declares both ways.
Rule variation #3 - "Both ways" must win free and clear, but 2nd best
hands are allowed to win. This set is included because at least one home
game is currently known to use it.
In the cases where no-one is eligible to win, an extra rule needs to be
invoked to handle the situation (the pot rides to the next hand, second
best hand is allowed to win, both ways allowed to win just one way, etc.)
+-------------------------+----------------+----------------+----------------+
| Declaration and hands: | Variation #1 | Variation #2 | Variation
#3 |
+-------------------------+----------------+----------------+----------------+
| A: high with KQJT9 | A gets 1/2 the pot for high
|
| B: low with an 8532A | B gets 1/2 the pot for low
|
+-------------------------+----------------+----------------+----------------+
| A: high with KQJT9 | A gets 1/2 the pot for high
|
| B: low with an 7532A | B gets 1/2 the pot for low
|
| C: both ways with 76543 |
|
+-------------------------+----------------+----------------+----------------+
| A: low with an 7532A | A wins the whole pot
|
| B: both ways with 76543 |
|
+-------------------------+----------------+----------------+----------------+
| A: high with three 9s | B wins the whole pot
|
| B: both ways with 76543 |
|
| C: low with 8532A |
|
+-------------------------+----------------+----------------+----------------+
| A: high with flush | A gets 1/2 the pot for high
|
| B: both ways with 76543 | C gets 1/2 the pot for low
|
| C: low with 6542A |
|
+-------------------------+----------------+----------------+----------------+
| A: high with three 9s | C wins the pot | A gets 1/2 pot | A gets 1/2
pot |
| B: both ways with 76543 | | C gets 1/2 pot | C gets 1/2
pot |
| C: low with 6 low | | |
|
+-------------------------+----------------+----------------+----------------+
| A: high with 98765 | A wins the pot | A gets 1/4 pot | A gets 1/2
pot |
| B: high with 98765 | | B gets 3/4 pot | C gets 1/2
pot |
| and low with 7653A | | |
|
| C: low with 76542 | | |
|
+-------------------------+----------------+----------------+----------------+
| A: both ways with 76543 | none eligible* | A gets 1/2 pot | C wins the
pot |
| B: both ways with 76543 | | B gets 1/2 pot |
|
| C: high with KKJJ9 | | |
|
+-------------------------+----------------+----------------+----------------+
| A: both ways with 76543 | B wins the pot | A gets 3/4 pot | B wins the
pot |
| B: high with 76543 | | B gets 1/4 pot |
|
| C: high with KKJJ9 | | |
|
+-------------------------+----------------+----------------+----------------+
| A: both ways with 76543 | B wins the pot | A gets 3/4 pot | B gets 1/2
pot |
| B: low with 76543 | | B gets 1/4 pot | C gets 1/2
pot |
| C: high with KKJJ9 | | |
|
+-------------------------+----------------+----------------+----------------+
| A: both ways with 76543 | none eligible* | A gets 1/2 pot | none
eligible* |
| B: both ways with 76543 | | B gets 1/2 pot |
|
+-------------------------+----------------+----------------+----------------+
| A: both ways with 76543 | none eligible* | B wins the pot | none
eligible* |
| B: both ways with flush | | |
|
| and 76543 | | |
|
+-------------------------+----------------+----------------+----------------+
| A: both ways with 76543 | none eligible* | B wins the pot | C wins the
pot |
| B: both ways with flush | | |
|
| and 76543 | | |
|
| C: high with KKJJ9 | | |
|
+-------------------------+----------------+----------------+----------------+
| A: both ways with 76543 | none eligible* | none eligible* | none
eligible* |
| B: both ways with flush | | |
|
| and 8543A | | |
|
+-------------------------+----------------+----------------+----------------+
In summary, Hi-Lo declare is popular and can add fun and variety to your
home game, but arguments are best avoided by clarifying the particular
house rules and unusual situations in advance.
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